Thank you, Jennifer
Glenda
Jennifer Thomas <kookie123427@
If someone has not been there (suicidal or depression) then they have no right (and shouldn't) judge those who have or are. It is a deep abyss that can either suck you further down into the blackness or cause you to fight your way back up to the surface. I had no one to talk to because of shame and fear. Alanon, prayer, and the love for my children saved me from going any further. I am sorry for the loss of your sister. I hope this group offers you as much support as possible, as they do me.
Glenda Long <glndlong@yahoo.
I understand totally what you are talking about. I took my attempted at suicide a lot further--though right now I don't like thinking about it--can't even believe I took it that far--It scares me to think about that--it was a long time coming--but I almost succeeded in my attempt---but for the Grace of God--I would not be here.
So nothing anyone could say about depression or panic could shock me--My whole family has dealt with severe depression. My sister who died about a year ago-was probably the strongest of all of us--I leaned on her--I hung out with her--I admired her and It is so hard living without being able to talk to her sometimes--
Love, Glenda
Jennifer Thomas <kookie123427@
This is true, Glenda. I think of panic attacks as some type of loss of "control" for me. I too do not judge someone going through depression or having anxiety because I have had both and been suicidal - although did not attempt it. I know the deep dark feeling of depression and devastation. I never in my life imagined that I would be there. It was scary and only my children and praying for G-d to take this feeling away worked. I had the razor, I was in the tub and I was picturing the water turning pink while softly running the razor across my wrist. Only my prayers and my love for my children pulled me through that time. It was the scariest thing I could ever imagine. I do not judge because it was not a place I ever thought I would be. I also worked with mental illnesses and now work special ed. I guess that's my place for now.
Glenda Long <glndlong@yahoo.
I agree Jennifer. In my first marriage, I had a counselor who told me that. Sometimes when I feel anxious--I force myself to get out around people or to go shopping or something to make myself realize that I am the one in control over this panic. I have learned that this panic does no good at all--that is not to say I will never panic again--but for a long time I thought they were some type of chemical disorder or something. Now I notice some of it is what I am thinking about and when I start thinking that way, I try to get up--move around--change what I am doing---etc.
However, I would never sit in judgement of someone going through something like that or something like severe depression, either--because I know how devastating they can ultimately be. No one who tries to hurt themselves or check out in this life is thinking with a full deck--at all.
I think someone who is going through something like that needs help from people who are stronger at that time--Whether they choose to accept that help or not--is up to them. I don't think help is needed from someone that resents giving it--Their words are better left unsaid.
Love, Glenda
Jennifer Thomas <kookie123427@
I too have had panic attacks or anxiety out in public. They were terrifying. I thought I was going to pass out or throw up. As my personal situation improved they faded, but it took a number of years to ease up. Once in a while I have them now, but I can feel them coming and take steps to reduce them. I still get panicky in crowds; I cannot be anywhere where I cannot leave when I need to or get outside away from people, just in case. I still get sick, physically, at times when I am out. But most of this passes quickly. It is a control thing, I believe. That we feel panicked when we are out of control of our situation; whether physically by where we are, or emotionally by what we are thinking. Improve your situation in life and I believe your panic attacks will ease up.
robinson_marie2002 <robinson_marie2002@
I have had sooo many panic attacks...for me i just reassure myself
and others that they will pass. Mine usually only last 10 mins or so
and pass on their own. Sometimes if i can i will drink warm milk and
do the butterfly hug during one. Sometimes they come on suddenly and
other times when i am feeling maybe one is coming on i put on
relaxing music.
Marie
--- In achangewilldoyougoo
<glndlong@..
>
> Hi Ross--the reason I knew you know what you are talking about is
because of the many times I have called ambulances in the midst of a
severe anxiety attack--thinking for sure it was a stroke or heart
attack--I would love to hear any of your advice because I know
sometimes I can feel myself setting myself up for one of these
episodes so I try to go rest or do something to make myself feel
better--I would love any advice--Thanks, Glenda
>
> winterblues11901 <winterblues11901@
thank you for your kind remark.. I was just responding to
> a post by Stacy on Feb. 13 concerning anxiety & her stating that she
> always thinks the worst possible scenario would take place & her
> concerns. See her post. Leonard Rubino responded to the feedback
> varous site members gave in a semi sarcastic manner which I thought,
> was a bit uncalled for, especially the part "but for the most part
> they can't straighten out their own life." I don't believe anybody on
> this site has the right to take inventory of anyone else & then to
> justify his own issues by belittling others efforts.
> I wholly agree that the answer lies within our rational being, for
> alot of folks, definitely through silence & meditation manytimes. I
> personally feel there are times that meditation isn't even a
> necessity once you learn the technique which works best for yourself
> to enable relaxation when taking the time to think about things. It
> is just as beneficial to be in a situation where you can just have
> the time to quietly, honestly reflect on your actions & doing an
> inventory of yourself & making an attempt to be honest, truthful &
> sincere.
> I don't like to bring up chemical influences which take place in
> the brain during anxiety attacks etc. but it is a scientific
> measurable reality & these chemicals produce depression. Therefore,
> it is beneficial to be aware of that process taking place &
> understand that it gives you a heads up that the chemicals will
> weaken & disperse through time, after each episode.
> It is also valuable information to know that the brain, to the
> individual unconsciusly, will need to react in certain ways to
> produce the anxiety again (like an unconscious fix), because it feels
> it is necessary to have those certain chemicals again n order to feel
> normal.
> I know this might sound outlandish to some but it really is what
> takes place. When this understanding takes place the individual
> (Stacy) can then work on finding the relaxation techniques that work
> best for her (or him) in order to lower the severity of the anxiety &
> thus lower the amount of depressive chemicals produced in the brain,
> during these episodes/attacks. I found it was very beneficial to do
> deep breathing exercises & focusing on the counting of the breaths,
> as a diversion away from the anxiety producing thoughts & this lowers
> the brains alpha waves & relaxation takes place. This is where Len
> was correct in his meditation frame of reference.
> Through time & the practicing of the relaxation techniques best
> suited for her, the brain produces less & less of the depressive
> chemicals & adjusts to it's surviving without those chemicals.
> Unconsciously the brain learns to function in a more rational level
> when dealing with various problems & thus will allow Stacy to be more
> clear in her thinkng when problems arise.
> It is my firm belief that thru time, effort & recognition of what
> is taking place & practicing whatever relaxation technique she
> eventually finds & works best for her, that Stacy will be able to
> make huge gains in thinking positively, which is what her request for
> support was about.
> I only hope the best for her & any others who take the time to read
> this...Peace.
>
> --- In achangewilldoyougoo
> <glndlong@> wrote:
> >
> > Wow!! I love what you just said.So right on--Pretty obvious you
> know what you are talking about and I am not sure what all the
> coversation is about at this point since I just one day ago returned
> to ACWDYG--But I feel that although the answer does lie within us--
> yes--the reason God put us here is to help and uplifet one another,
> right? I know there are people who have been huge in my progression
> to recovery--all my life.
> >
> > Glenda
> >
> > winterblues11901 <winterblues11901@
> > I don't feel sorry for her, empathetic yes, but sorry no.
> I am sure it
> > took you some time to figure out what was going on with you when
> you
> > came to the solution of what works best for you. It seems out of
> line
> > to give the answer you gave, which was correct for you, but to tell
> a
> > person who is seeking help & solutions with what is going on with
> her,
> > without offering anything more than " the truth lies in our hearts"
> is
> > a bit premature. A person has to learn to recognize the anxiety &
> > possible manic episode as it is occuring, realize what it is, &
> then
> > experiment with methods which will enable the overcoming of those
> > thoughts producing the anxiety. BUT the first thing which must take
> > place is the recognition of the thought patterns, then practicing
> > various methods of stabilizing those thought patterns & seeing what
> > works best for the individual, especially if the anxiety is taking
> > place immediately or very fast. As the person practices the method
> > which works best for themself, inroads are made & as more
> relaxation
> > takes place then turning to meditation or other relaxation
> techniques
> > can ber utilized but it must be one step at a time. First order of
> > business is to get ahold of the thoughts as quickly as possible &
> then,
> > when time allows, turn to meditation etc. My feeling in dealing
> with
> > people suffering from anxiety disorders is to stabilze the thought
> > processes first then relaxation methods. It would be very difficult
> for
> > a person going through an anxiety episode to concentrate on
> meditation
> > etc, while the episode is taking place & there is a strong
> possibility
> > of failure, leading to more anxiety & possibly depression.
> >
> > --- In achangewilldoyougoo
> <lmr@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > The problem of getting advise from someone who knows were your
> coming
> > from is like asking a blind person to lead the safari. Yes those
> who
> > have been there can feel sorry for you but for the most part they
> can't
> > straighten out their own life. the only real answers to our
> problems
> > lies within our own Mind. We have been brainwashed by Religion, our
> > parents, our teachers and our friends. The truth lies in our hearts
> we
> > must have an ongoing conversation with God, the only way I know how
> to
> > do this is Meditation. God's voice is silence and unless you quiet
> your
> > conscious mind and allow God's voice to come through you will never
> be
> > happy. Len
> > >
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